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In the war letters Dion Fortune makes three statements:

1. “It is the aim of both psychotherapy and initiation to bring about harmonisation between consciousness and sub-consciousness. Both methods of dealing with the human mind depend for their results on the same factor- the resources made available to the personality when this unification takes place. Initiation differs from psychoanalysis in that it carries the process a stage further and unites subconsciousness with cosmic consciousness; save for this, the two methods have more in common than either of them realises.”

2. “The powers of the macrocosm can only function in the world of men through the medium of men’s souls…through them the cosmic powers work.”

3. It is necessary to have a working knowledge of both psychology and the mysteries.
References
  1. http://dionfortune.co.uk/articles/art-of-changing-consciousness
It is not for me to teach the Psychologists their business, however great the need.
Psyche Accepted Answer
Oh are you? I'm pleased to hear It! And I'm pleased you like the article.

John, you will definitely need to come to Glastonbury :) It's not that Far!
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A very good article indeed. I am in psychoanalytical and spiritual training myself and very much appreciate your impulses!
I will have to come to Glastonbury next year! :)
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Good Evening Erinaea
Thank you for your post and I am pleased you enjoyed the article.

One of my reflections on the piece is that I think it would benefit from some expansion and explanation in places so I am glad to have a chance to speak more about it. Ah, dead lines and the limitations of matter and duties means that nothing ever feels finished!

I agree with you that the concept of the container is a critical one. It is quite complex in some ways because a common societal perception of ' strength ' can be that one should be somehow unaffected by experience. Actually a strong container would be affected by feelings, relationships and power ( if unaffected, experienes are not taken in but rather ignored and left out ). However a strong container is able to manage this and still be able to function, still know its own viewpoint and maintain its own identity and be able to relate to the other with clarity, appropriate boundary, and compassion. So in my clinical example, I need to not be lured into thinking I can be my patients substitute mother and maintain an appropriate relationship, I need to stick to task, but aware of and accept the multitude of feelings it might provoke for her. In ritual, I need to receive the consciousness of an archetype, feel attuned and relate, carry out my task but not lose myself, and my perspective, whilst still allowing myself to be changed by what I am experiencing.

This part of magic is not mind stuff but, as Dion Fortune said, about experience!
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Hi Psyche,
I heard your article at the recent Dion Fortune seminar in Glastonbury so reading it here is my second exposure. Being able to read over what we previously heard was a great advantage as it allows for re-reading of phrases or sections which either strike one as highly important or those which may require more than one reading to extract the full meaning. I particularly liked the sections which talk about the need for a strong container. I agree this is one of the most basic requirements for anyone who wishes to seriously study the Mysteries. A balanced, healthy mind is essential for occult work for all the reasons you describe so well in your article. Great stuff! I wonder what others felt was important for them in this piece?
Eirenaea
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